3.31.2010

Lord of The Flies and Lady Macbeth!

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Hello AP'ers! I hope you're enjoying your
Interims.
As I mentioned in class last week,
here is your assignment
to go along with your reading of
Lord of The Flies.
As a reminder, you must finish the
entire book over Spring Break.

Assignment: Read the following Compare/Contrast essay,
taken from
"Associated Content" an open content network that "...enables anyone to participate in the new content economy by publishing content on any topic, in any format (text, video, audio and images)..." draws parallels between Lord of The Flies and Macbeth. After doing a close reading of the essay answer the following question in a brief and thoughtful response.
What are the main differences and similarities between the two allegories? In your response please consider the answer to the question, who would be "Piggy" in Macbeth? And who would be Lady Macbeth in Lord of the Flies?
Macbeth by Shakespeare and Lord of the Flies by William Golding have much to say about man's sinful nature. Both of these works contain scenes in which main characters die; their deaths come about because of their sinful nature or the sinful nature of others around them. Man's sinful nature is revealed through the thoughts and actions of the characters of these works. The authors show through their works their belief that if everybody revealed their true natures, the world would tear itself apart.

In both works, evil is revealed by the telling actions of the characters. In Lord of the Flies, the boys' society starts to fall apart as Jack becomes less and less civilized and the other boys gradually follow his example. Only Simon is the truly innocent one; even Ralph and Piggy expose their evil nature when they help the other boys kill Simon. Besides the murders of Simon and Piggy, evil is also demonstrated through the scenes when the pig is killed, Piggy's glasses are stolen, and the conch shell is smashed. In Macbeth, man's sinful nature is seen quite early in the story when Lady Macbeth urges her husband to kill the king after he is told a prophecy that he will become king. Though Macbeth is reluctant at first, then horrified at the murder he has committed, his pride and greed get the better of him. He starts killing more people, including women and children, and even attempts to kill his good friend Banquo. Though Macbeth started out good, his evil nature conquered in the end.

Though they both demonstrate man's sinful nature, the books end in very different ways. In Macbeth, Macbeth dies by the hand of his enemy, and his wife dies by her own hand. In Lord of the Flies, the boys are rescued just as Ralph is about to be killed. However, in both books the sin problem is never controlled. Shakespeare never suggests in his work that Malcolm will become corrupt or that someone else will seize the throne. However, it is in the nature of man to be corrupt, and eventually something like Macbeth's usurpation of the throne would happen again. On the other hand, Golding lays heavy emphasis on the suggestion that all men are sinful, not just boys marooned on an island. He shows this by adding the naval officer and his ship into the story.

The Bible has much to say about man's sinful nature. In Romans 3:23, it states: "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Luke 18:13 says this: "...'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'" Everybody has a sinful nature; our hearts are corrupted and full of greed. Macbeth and Lord of the Flies show how incredibly far away our sins can take us from God's love and grace. As the Luke passage proves, however, God will always have mercy on us, no matter how far we have strayed from him. Macbeth, unfortunately, never changed- he stayed wicked until the end. On the other hand, Ralph and the other boys most likely did change their evil ways when they went back to civilization. If we never return to God and refuse to have anything to do with him, like Macbeth, he will have no choice but to punish us. However, if we turn from our sinful ways like Ralph, God will welcome us back with open arms.

Both Macbeth and Lord of the Flies speak volumes about the problem of man's sinful nature. Though they seem like innocent stories at first, the reader gradually realizes that the authors are, in fact, speaking about the entire human population. Both authors are making a single point: All humans have a sinful nature, and if it were given free rein, mankind would destroy itself.

20 comments:

  1. Both Lord of Flies and Macbeth show a strong sense of evil among humans. It becomes apparent in LOTF as Jack begins to call himself and those who follow him savages. He loses sight of what is truly necessary and better for the stranded boys, fire over the hunt. This savage nature to hunt and kill, though seemingly essential for the cause of eating meat, is of pure evil when the island behold much fruit and water (killing on the bases of food, Jack killed because he liked it). In Macbeth evil in humans rises from the complete character switch Macbeth goes through. From a hero to a murderer he becomes what he wasn't. Evil underlying his good.

    The differences come from the style they are presented. If you know that from one evil you can get a good, such as Macbeth's case, evil is a far more viable option to take its course in a persons life. In the case of the stranded boys, they had no choice but to learn and figure out how to survive. Being evil seemed more adventurous and was what Jack was. the boys saw this and their own evils, no matter how young, took over and lead them to Jack and away from Ralph and the conch.
    In Macbeth "piggy" was most like Banquo who was his right hand man and advised him with his actions and is later killed by Macbeth in order to fulfill the prophecy and gain the power. In LOTF "Lady Macbeth" was most like Jack who like Lady Macbeth urged to be evil and hurt others because of it.
    -Diego Ochoa

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  2. Both Lord of Flies and Macbeth show a strong sense of evil among humans. It becomes apparent in LOTF as Jack begins to call himself and those who follow him savages. He loses sight of what is truly necessary and better for the stranded boys, fire over the hunt. This savage nature to hunt and kill, though seemingly essential for the cause of eating meat, is of pure evil when the island behold much fruit and water (killing on the bases of food, Jack killed because he liked it). In Macbeth evil in humans rises from the complete character switch Macbeth goes through. From a hero to a murderer he becomes what he wasn't. Evil underlying his good.

    The differences come from the style they are presented. If you know that from one evil you can get a good, such as Macbeth's case, evil is a far more viable option to take its course in a persons life. In the case of the stranded boys, they had no choice but to learn and figure out how to survive. Being evil seemed more adventurous and was what Jack was. the boys saw this and their own evils, no matter how young, took over and lead them to Jack and away from Ralph and the conch.
    In Macbeth "piggy" was most like Banquo who was his right hand man and advised him with his actions and is later killed by Macbeth in order to fulfill the prophecy and gain the power. In LOTF "Lady Macbeth" was most like Jack who like Lady Macbeth urged to be evil and hurt others because of it.
    -Diego Ochoa

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  3. Arianne Dela Pena

    Piggy- Lord of the Fireflies

    In comparison with the Shakespear's Macbeth, Piggy would be Mcduff. They both take a stand against those who are in power. In addition, they both play the role of an advisors- Mcduff to Malcolm and Piggy to Ralph. However, they differ in terms of self confidence and physical ability.

    Lady Macbeth- Macbeth

    In terms of Lady Macbeth, she mostly identifies with Piggy in ways that she benifits from the power that Macbeth gets from being the king. Both Lady Macbeth and Piggy are the brains behind the actions of the protagonists.

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  4. Both Macbeth and the Lord of the Flies show the originality of evilness in human nature. Both books show how fragile are the good qualities of human nature when facing to negative tendencies. Piggy resembles Macbeth, because both Macbeth and piggy’s lives are ruined by the evilness in human nature. Macbeth was a righteous soldier who believed in peace and loyalty, however, he could not help but fall for Lady Macbeth’s instigation, and thus he becomes a ruthless king. Macbeth’s righteousness is powerless against the lust for power. Piggy in Lord of the Flies resembles human intelligence; however, intelligence is proven to be useless against the savageness of Jack’s clan. Jack would be Lady Macbeth in the Lord of the Flies, because both of them were the triggers of the crisis. Both Jack and Lady Macbeth take little effort before the lust of power inside their nature evolves.
    Macbeth and the Lord of the Flies are different in the way of reflecting the corruption of human nature. Macbeth focuses on one type of corruption: the lust of power, and is is more specific about its effects. The Lord of the Flies depicts the corruption of good human nature in different ways, shown by the different choices that each child makes and how each of them changes differently because of the choices they make. Unlike Macbeth, the Lord of the Flies shows the sense of hope in the end of the book. By telling that the children are rescued by a ship and return to their normal world, it implies that the crisis is now gone, and with the existence of human civilization, the evilness within the human nature does not appear as much and the damage caused by the negative tendencies are less. On the other hand, although people live in civilized world, the lust of power is still detrimental.


    christina si

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  5. Maryann bove-

    I feel that McDuff would be the parallel of Piggy in The Lord of the Flies mainly because both in a way didn't feel the need to pursue and need for power and were content with what they had. Also both Piggy and McDuff were more cautious about anything that happened around them and weren't that easily influenced by the situations.

    As for lady Macbeth I feel that in this case she would best represent Jack and his need to feel superious among all the chaos that was happening. Just as Lady Macbeth began to advise Macbeth into becoming the power hungry man he become, Jack's need to be in charge made him take a slowly forming civilization of boys and turn them into barbaric kids which ultimatly led to the collapse of Ralph's power and camp as well as the death of 2 boys and all their former selves.

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  6. The main differences of course come from Macbeth's witches, and Lord of the Flies' savage school boys on an island. But with these two very different back plots, both stories come to a central meaning of the nature of man. Both main characters are handed an empire on a platter, and it is their choice whether to seize or not. Macbeth, Jack, and Ralph, all take initiative and go to drastic measures to insure their spots on the throne. Macbeth kills the King making him ruler, and Jack strays away from Ralph's rule, so that he has some type of group to essentially command. All three characters then lose sight of what is necessary, and lose sight or sanity and go on power hungry rampages.
    For this reason, Jack and Lady Macbeth bear very similar resemblances in character. They are both very power hungry, and try decide what others do, but they are second in line to the throne, they are both not king but wish they were, and since they know they cant be, they try convince others of their own ideas.
    Piggy is most like Banquo in regards to Macbeth. Banquo is the sidekick he is dragged along with Macbeth even though he has his own ideas. He is always looked down upon as someone who shouldn't be taken seriously. There is a difference in where the characters go unfortunately, because Piggy dies whereas Banquo takes over the throne. But it parallels Macbeth's death, and Jack and Ralph's survival.

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  7. In both the Lord of the Flies and in Macbeth the characters become victim to their lust for power. Just like Macbeth and Lady Macbeth the children of the Lord of the Flies start to lose their sanity and identity by ultimately becoming "the savages" and "the cheif". Macbeth's and Lady Macbeth's sanity was compromised by their guilt.
    However, the two differ in that the source of the corruption is from a totally different cause. In Macbeth it comes from the need to gain power and retain that power. In Lord of the Flies the insanity comes from the children resulting back to their primal instincts by not being around civilization.
    Piggy of the Lord of the Flies is most like Banquo. He is the right hand man of Macbeth as was Piggy of Ralph and his death was a threshold that released more insanity. Lady Macbeth would be Jack from Lord of the Flies because like Jack Lady Macbeth feed the flames to help the craziness along.
    -Emma Merritt-Cuneo

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  8. Both Macbeth and Lord of the Flies portray a common theme of evil overcoming good-natured people. The characters in the books change of different reasons. Macbeth pursued power, while the boys in Lord of the Flies became savages. Macbeth was conditioned and manipulated by his wife. She holds great responsibility over his actions. The English boys became savages due to their environment and they started to care less about being rescue. The source of the evil in the books came from very different places. The boys in LOTF have a chance to learn from their wrongs. Macbeth was lost to death.
    In Lord of the Flies, Lady Macbeth would be Jack because the LOTF Jack persuades the boys to become evil just as Lady Macbeth did to Macbeth. Jack’s actions motivate all the other boys’ ill will, just as Lady Macbeth did so towards Macbeth.
    Piggy’s equivalent in Macbeth would be Banquo. Both characters represent a sense of good that is overcome by evil. Piggy and Banquo care about the well being of their comrades and worked to better their chances of survival pertaining to their situation.

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  9. oopss.. ms mack that was krystle phinn who last posted that comment. i forgot to put my name =/

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  10. The major similarities between the two allegories are that they represent how easily the human mind can be tricked and manipulated. In desperate times, people will put aside their morals in order to get what they want. In LOTF, the littlins decided to side with Jack in order to get food. In Macbeth, although Macbeth was afraid of killing, he eventually decided that he had to kill in order to survive.

    The major differences between the two novels are that in Macbeth, it focuses more on the evil and the transformation it creates on others. In LOTF, it covers this too, but there is more of a focus on conflicting sides between good and evil. In addition, both novels have a central fear, but LOTF is centered around the beast while Macbeth has fear in himself.

    In Macbeth, Piggy would be most like Banquo because they are both like side liners who try to voice their opinion but are usually not listened to.
    In LOTF, Lady Macbeth would be like Jack because in both novels they display evil right from the very start, with little sympathy to anybody else. Their actions reflect their needs to gain power and only please themselves.

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  11. “Macbeth” and “Lord of the Flies” are similar in a sense that all mankind, when placed in certain situations, are capable of committing acts of evilness. Both of these allegories show that people are susceptible of losing themselves, as far as morals and ethics go, and transforming into completely different characters. As in “Macbeth,” Macbeth drastically changed from a war hero to a murderer. In LOTF, these boys undergo intense transformation and as a result, two of them wind up dead. The differences of these two allegories is that in “Macbeth,” Lady Macbeth and Macbeth commit acts of violence due their greed for power and wealth. In LOTF, the boys make different decisions that shape out who they become at the end. Both stories also end on different notes. Macbeth is killed and his wife takes her own life away. For the boys in LOTF, they are rescued and ultimately return to their normal lives. In “Macbeth,” Piggy mostly resembles Banquo because both of these characters remained closer to the way that they were at first. Piggy remained loyal to Ralph and guided him, as in Banquo’s case, he also remained loyal to Macbeth as his comrade. In LOTF, the character that would be Lady Macbeth would be Jack. Both of them used their ways with words to influence the other characters to act in certain ways, corrupting who they are.

    -Maria L. Fernandez

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  12. Both the works Lord of the Flies and Macbeth touch base on the imperfections and flawed perception of mankind. Both literary works reflect the corrupted mentality of humans as a direct result of their environment. When it came to Macbeth, he was tempted by the fantastical and almost enticing predictions made by the witches, coupled with his wife's continual attacks and arguments and his own natural thirst for power. Similar to this is how leaders Ralph and Jack took power into their own hands, and exploited it according to their own selfish needs (of course, to different extents.) Ralph continually fantasized about himself and acted according to what was beneficial to him - he constantly neglected the littluns and pondered the day HE would be saved by grown ups. His actions and intentions were noble, however, within this was a hint of his own conflicting nature. Jack drove into his primeval instincts, and abandoned all aspects of the civility of life in normal society. His manipulative nature was blatantly apparent, as he waged war against anything that wasn't for his ideals.

    It is because of this that some characters can be mirrored through these different works. Piggy emanated rational, care, civility and reason. However, this is coupled with his timid personality and strong bias he has against certain characters (Jack). Through this he reflects a mixture of the characters Banquo and Macduff - Banquo from his nobility, reason, and thoughtful conscientious persona; Macduff - due to his almost vengeful nature (going after Macbeth to avenge the death of his family). Lady Macbeth is synonymous to the characters Samneric, because after holding steadfast to one idea for so long, she, like Samneric, eventually reverts to the opposite ideals after continually being probed and exposed to it (Lady Macbeth, figuratively, with her night terrors, and Samneric, literally, with their torture).

    Though similarities between the two works do in fact exist, when one delves deeper [than generalizations] it can be understood why Macbeth and LOTF are drastically different. For example, the circumstances under each main characters were exceptionally different. Macbeth, a man, has (or should have) a fully developed brain. These children, in LOTF have an unstable hold in their lives as they are undergoing adolescent angst and confusion. It is this, coupled with their life and death situation do they proceed to act the way that they do. Their primeval instincts and thirst for power became blatantly apparent under these specific circumstances. When it came to Macbeth, he was told more power, and death was not in one of the witch's initial predictions.

    Oh gosh, this turned out to be longer than expected. I'm sorry, please don't kill me.

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  13. I MADE THIS ONE KIND OF SHORTER :D

    Both the works Lord of the Flies and Macbeth touch base on the imperfections and flawed perception of mankind. Both literary works reflect the corrupted mentality of humans as a direct result of their environment. When it came to Macbeth, he was tempted by the fantastical and almost enticing predictions made by the witches, coupled with his wife's continual attacks and arguments and his own natural thirst for power. Similar to this is how leaders Ralph and Jack took power into their own hands, and exploited it according to their own selfish needs (of course, to different extents.)

    It is because of this that some characters can be mirrored through these different works. Piggy emanated rational, care, civility and reason. However, this is coupled with his timid personality and strong bias he has against certain characters (Jack). Through this he reflects a mixture of the characters Banquo and Macduff - Banquo from his nobility, reason, and thoughtful conscientious persona; Macduff - due to his almost vengeful nature (going after Macbeth to avenge the death of his family). Lady Macbeth is synonymous to the characters Samneric, because after holding steadfast to one idea for so long, she, like Samneric, eventually reverts to the opposite ideals after continually being probed and exposed to it (Lady Macbeth, figuratively, with her night terrors, and Samneric, literally, with their torture).

    Though similarities between the two works do in fact exist, when one delves deeper [than generalizations] it can be understood why Macbeth and LOTF are drastically different. For example, the circumstances under each main characters were exceptionally different. Macbeth, a man, has (or should have) a fully developed brain. These children, in LOTF have an unstable hold in their lives as they are undergoing adolescent angst and confusion. It is this, coupled with their life and death situation do they proceed to act the way that they do. Their primeval instincts and thirst for power became blatantly apparent under these specific circumstances. When it came to Macbeth, he was told more power, and death was not in one of the witch's initial predictions.

    Oh gosh, this turned out to be longer than expected, but shorter than the previous one I literally just posted (I cut off some lines). I'm sorry, please don't kill me.

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  14. Kay KovitprakornkulApril 14, 2010 at 12:34 AM

    The main similarities between Lord of the Flies and Macbeth, is obviously the corruption of man through their greed for power. In both stories, the characters lose their sanity in their quest for power, and ultimately destroy themselves. Both novels depict the downfall of noble characters, a strong soldier and well behaved English boys, as they turn into power hungry tyrants.

    The differences between the two allegories is that one is a play and one is a story! DUH Ms. Mack! Okay no I'm just kidding. Don't get mad, look how late I posted this! The sleep deprivation is getting to me.

    But no really, the differences are in the situations both Macbeth and Ralph are put through. Macbeth starts from the top, the prestigious Thane of Cawdor, yadda yadda, however once he hears that he can become King, he seizes that opportunity which ultimately leads to his demise. However, the English boys are stranded on an island with nothing. Through sheer desperation they begin to lose their sanity and destroy one another. So at either ends of the spectrum, once one has a taste for power, they can still destroy civilization.

    Jack = Lady Macbeth; They are both strong willed, power-hungry, tyrants that will stop at nothing to get what they want.

    Piggy = Banquo; Both loyal allies to their friends. They both have true power all along (Piggy's glasses are the only objects that can create fire & Banquo's sons were supposed to be Kings) however they remain pure throughout the stories and never give in to temptations.

    -Kay Kovit.

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  15. Both Macbeth and the Lord of the Flies focus around the corruption of man, showing how certain situations can reveal the negative qualities of mankind. I believe that the authors of both books shared the belief that modern humans are initially civil but are can become “corrupted” and revert back to more barbaric ways. Humans have the tendency to find themselves subject to greed, ambition, and selfish actions. These allegories are different because they portray this concept rather differently. The characters in Macbeth, specifically Macbeth, are corrupted by the influence of the people around him. The Lord of the Flies characters are changed negatively when met with a traumatic and disastrously new lifestyle.
    Piggy would be Banquo because, like Banquo, Piggy is more of a “sidekick” to the main character. In Lord of the Flies, Jack would be most like Lady Macbeth since he is the “cause” of significant trouble, just as Lady Macbeth triggered the ambitious murder within Macbeth.
    Smeeth.

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  16. Between Lord of the Flies and Macbeth, the main difference would have to be the ending result to the antagonist. Although in similarities, both stories give a sense of losing one’s control. A character that loses sense of civilization when then led to a power hunger war between himself as well as the rest of the society. All of man kind of a sinful characteristic within them, and at time we loses it, but it also can be fix with self control. This was proven in Lord of the Flies when the boys did not suffer the consequence of death like Macbeth and Lady Macbeth did.

    Lady Macbeth I would have to say is Jack. Jack is the one with all the mischievous plans in the story. He manipulates the other boys into believing his belief, which then led to the death of Piggy. Such as in Macbeth when Lady Macbeth convinced her husband to kill the King.

    Although it can be reasonable that Piggy is Banquo, I believe Piggy is Macduff. Macduff was the guy that did not fall into Jack society. He was the one that always had a better sense. So just like Piggy and how he always has a better and sane sense of civilization. The only two difference between Macduff and Piggy is that Piggy ends up being killed.

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  17. Jean Luke Campos

    In Macbeth and Lord of the Flies, both allegories show how humanity can succumb to the evil, and to the vices that are programmed into it's own natural instinct. Furthermore, both reveal the fragility of good and how it's mostly a quality imposed upon man through society. Humanity's sense of community and acceptance act as a gatekeeper against both evil and barbaric tendencies. But, once these reins are broken, humanity can easily succumb to it's own vices. Within Macbeth, his own virtue was easily broken once power was a source of temptation. He was able to murder the king that he swore allegiance to since, power was insured if he did this and since getting away with it was perceived to be insured. Basically, societal repercussions were taken away and his savagery was unleashed. For LOTF, society was literally taken away from the boys. So, the reins of morality that society bestowed onto the kids was taken away and they were left to their own savagery. But, they weren't as priveleged as Macbeth. Savagery comes through from a lack of guidance and desperation. The boys were all left to fend for themselves and they were forced into the desperate pursuit of survival that drives animals to become wild. Unlike Macbeth, who was royal, well-off and a grown man, the boys in LOTF were mere children who, were too young to even express and themselves. So, they couldn't even grasp the situation they were into, much less conquer it. The boys were doomed from the start.

    Lady Macbeth would most definately resemble Jack. They saw evil and it's benefits and they quickly dropped their morals in order to relish in it's rewards.

    Piggy would most likely be similar to Banquo because they were advisors to the main protagonist and the voice of reason for both. They only worked in order to do their best and help their leaders but, in the end both have lives that end tragically.

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  18. Alijah Marquez


    Both novels reveal human instinct under the most detrimental of conditions. The build up to this reveal is conveyed through an accumulation of events that are “necessary” for the survival of the characters. The need for food is what first sparks Jack and the other “savages” desire to plunge deeper into their animalistic instinct by hunting and killing. The need for MacBeth’s wife and him to gain power is what first sparks them to murder, and what drives them to they themselves become “savages”.

    The savage behavior in Lord of the Flies is much more anticipated because the boys begin this behavior in order to obtain something that is required for life, nourishment. The savage behavior in MacBeth on the other hand is by choice because power is not necessary to live but MacBeth and his wife begin to believe it is.

    If Piggy was a character in MacBeth he would most likely be McDuff because he was more logical and thought his actions through. If Lady MacBeth was a character in LOTF she would most likely be Jack because she jumps right into situations with one goal in mind and doesn’t know the limits she should maintain when aspiring to reach that goal.

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  19. In Macbeth, Mcduff would be most like Piggy because they’re both the follower of a leader. They’re both smart and through people. Their plans and suggestions are well though out and usually effective. They are also victims of an unpleasant society.

    Lady Macbeth and Jack from LOTF symbolize power hungry people. They influence others to side with them and victimize others who stand in their way.

    -Kristen Wong

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  20. The main difference between the two books is how they are presented. In Macbeth, the witches give the reader a sense of hope by revealing what will happen ahead of time, while in Lord of the Flies, all the chaos allows the reader to think differently. But the difference is that in Macbeth, the witches’ propositions do come true and in Lord of the Flies, the chaos leads to their rescue. However, they are more alike in which they both present man’s lust for power. Macbeth, after being persuaded, becomes hungry to be King, like-wise with Jack, who wanted all of Ralph’s companions to join his tribe, under his authority.

    Piggy in Lord of the flies would be Banquo from Macbeth mainly because Piggy and Banquo both have their own opinions and are capable of being leaders. Piggy was Ralph’s sidekick, and Banquo was Macbeth’s sidekick, but because they didn’t have the power within themselves to control anyone else but their opinions, it led them both to die.
    Piggy was the most intelligent, but because he was looked down on; his voice didn’t have the power to civilize the chaos with his opinions. Like-wise, Banquo was capable of being king, but because the witches told him it was impossible, his hopes of supremacy were out of the picture.

    Jack in Lord of the flies would be Lady Macbeth from Macbeth because they both had a lust for power. Jack wanted everyone under his supremacy and like-wise Lady Macbeth wanted Macbeth to be king so that she could have authority. They both went into drastic measures to keep supremacy in their hands, in which they wanted to kill anyone that got in their way of holding the crown. In the end, both of their plans led to corruption and hysteria among human nature.


    Jessa Lebantino

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